tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post250670800949159679..comments2024-03-27T22:57:00.742+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Paradox: Obesity and heart failurePeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-52320514704888715132010-04-13T13:17:02.024+00:002010-04-13T13:17:02.024+00:00I have skinny friend who suffered form heart attac...I have skinny friend who suffered form heart attack last two weeks ago. He's of old age, hypertensive and diabetic as well. After staying one week in the intensive care unit and one week at the recovery room,Thank God, he's now fine yet very skinny.Mary Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08886142766881362789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-12155830812416498712010-03-24T16:17:08.675+00:002010-03-24T16:17:08.675+00:00Something in this article clicked with me. It'...Something in this article clicked with me. It's brilliant! When your fat and losing weight your protected by the fat in your body, when your skinny there isn't much fat for your body to consume and so you need the dietary fat to be healthy. Is that it?Stacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14615590560636445186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-23158255692071904362010-03-20T01:23:52.724+00:002010-03-20T01:23:52.724+00:00Actually, the post, which I have just found, is th...Actually, the post, which I have just found, is this:<br /><br />http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/prototypical-lipoproteina.htmlNed Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-62293401565948308062010-03-19T17:10:44.802+00:002010-03-19T17:10:44.802+00:00Hi Ned,
Peter commented in one of the threads at ...Hi Ned,<br /><br />Peter commented in one of the threads at Dr. Davis's site, and he did a blog post about it here. Here are the links:<br /><br />http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/02/saturated-fat-and-sdldl.html<br /><br />http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/genetic-vs-lifestyle-small-ldl.htmlMontyApollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04699359141359181115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-17644009340879936102010-03-19T16:01:41.195+00:002010-03-19T16:01:41.195+00:00Dr. Davis mentioned in a recent post the connectio...Dr. Davis mentioned in a recent post the connection between elevated Lp(a) and some demographic characteristics. Those were supposed to be inherited, as was the tendency to have elevated Lp(a). <br /><br />One of those demog.'s was being thin. Some of the others were being smart, and having above average aerobic performance! I couldn't find the link to the article though. Have you seen it?Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-89864217589745396662010-03-19T15:49:31.195+00:002010-03-19T15:49:31.195+00:00Peter,
I'm sure you've answered this befo...Peter,<br /><br />I'm sure you've answered this before, but 1) Will a higher fat, low-carb diet heal "advancing gut damage, endotoxin translocation, hepatic inflammation, impaired glucose tolerance, hyperglycaemia"? I am suffering from all of these, but whenever I eat a high fat meal with little or no carbs, I feel like the meal is not complete without something sweet! 2) What would be the limit on carbs to heal those impairments? 3) Do you have any posts on salicylate intolerance?<br /><br />Thank you!<br /><br />CeutaUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02560797961541337622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-63895908259209492622010-03-18T15:21:35.578+00:002010-03-18T15:21:35.578+00:00"Obese patients are hard on their bodies; man..."Obese patients are hard on their bodies; many don't eat right, don't exercise, and many smoke," explained Eric Hansen, co-lead author and also a second year medical student at the University of Rochester. "If their bodies are surviving this bad treatment then perhaps they are better equipped, from a genetic standpoint, to live with heart failure."<br /><br />This is my faviorite comment from the study. Future MD, no less.<br />Peter, I'll stick with your hypothesis...LynneChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09447994757481892984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-8617471353047146932010-03-18T15:11:02.056+00:002010-03-18T15:11:02.056+00:00I guess I should have said "away from fatty a...I guess I should have said "away from fatty acids to fatty acid derived ketones made by the liver"'.. more accurate as cardiomyocytes already prefer fatty acids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-88447917069021913222010-03-18T09:23:42.796+00:002010-03-18T09:23:42.796+00:00Rob
Ah, could be, do you have a ref on gut dysfu...Rob <br /><br />Ah, could be, do you have a ref on gut dysfunction? There's lots of anecdote to support this. We know HbA1c rises with age. Mechanism: advancing gut damage, endotoxin translocation, hepatic inflammation, impaired glucose tolerance, hyperglycaemia? We're back to jam (jelly??) with peanut butter over margarine on bread...<br /><br />Kurt, yes. But the other complication is that mitochondria eventually break or give up in diabetes/hyperglycaemia. Then fatty acids become unavailable and ketones are left as the ultimate mitochondrial fuel... Seems like mitochondria keep ketone oxidation for when all else fails.<br /><br />arnould, yes, but the flip side is that people who follow doctors orders always do better than those who don't, even if they get the placebo! Might be how come they make it to being older before their first heart attack. But ultimately following doctors orders can't beat the hyperglycaemia those orders produce.<br /><br />Sadly I think the "assembly lines" are largely people doing the best they can. The paradigm setters are the main crooks. Work on the coal face is just making the best living you can under the conditions you work in... We all do that.<br /><br />blogblog, of course I have no idea if the heavy people really lost weight after a heart attack in this study. They may simply be getting adequate micro nutrient nutrition at the cost of hyper nutrition or there is something in the fat we eat which is essential for health... Of course someone who is obese and still gaining weight is quite possibly normoglycaemic if they make enough insulin to achieve this, and coincidentally store fat... It's when you run out of space in the adipocytes that the problems begin...<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-75953101034511933012010-03-18T03:43:33.890+00:002010-03-18T03:43:33.890+00:00Both of my parents were almost certainly killed by...Both of my parents were almost certainly killed by well meaning health professionals. My parents were slightly overweight. They were subjected to decades of medically supervised very low fat diets. Neither parent lost any weight but both died in their 60s from heart attacks. My mother's grossly obese sister is 80 and still going well.blogbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029519906193388609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-9456484099003310442010-03-18T02:36:12.469+00:002010-03-18T02:36:12.469+00:00The skinnies are very good at following their doct...The skinnies are very good at following their doctor's orders: oatmeal with some fruit for breakfast, whole wheat sandwiches with lean meat for lunch, and some lean meat with veggies and maybe pasta for dinner. Snacks: whole wheat crackers are OK, as long as you stay skinny.<br /><br />Sadly that was the advise my father followed after a mild heart attach. It gave him three years until his fatal 'sudden' heart arrest. He even gave up all cheese. A handful of (wall)nuts was the only healthy fat he was told he could enjoy.<br /><br />Surefire strategy to keep the medical 'assembly lines' through the cardiac centers running at full capacity.arnoudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768807845969543675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-27575858425225164752010-03-17T23:18:16.196+00:002010-03-17T23:18:16.196+00:00So lose weight or start to eat some animal fat.
...So lose weight or start to eat some animal fat. <br /><br />I suppose if the obese are more likely to cut calories drastically ( who will tell the skinnies to cut calories?, it will all be canola oil and oatmeal for them), they are more likely to throw the switch into pretty good ketosis as well. <br /><br />Shunting cardiomyocte metabolism away from broken glucose metabolism to fatty acids and ketones would definitely help heart failure. The skinnies have no fatty acids to do this with, unless they go to OD or PaNu type diet right off..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-29832313326323685172010-03-17T23:12:31.648+00:002010-03-17T23:12:31.648+00:00I've always been under the impression that ove...I've always been under the impression that overweight elderly people live longer because when their digestive system starts to fail they have greater reserves, both fat and muscle, to draw down before they kick the bucket. Same mechanism I guess.Robert McLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05270962906437456350noreply@blogger.com