tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post7379841648330990683..comments2024-03-27T22:57:00.742+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Playing with salt and waterPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-72971052463582429482009-11-21T07:20:48.141+00:002009-11-21T07:20:48.141+00:00Hi Greg,
Finally, a reply! Yes, cats are fully a...Hi Greg, <br /><br />Finally, a reply! Yes, cats are fully able to produce very concentrated urine as needed. All you need is metabolic syndrome to put some abnormal amounts of minerals in to the urine and stones are there...<br /><br />The whole D3 thing is currently in the air for me. The intervention studies on the SAD population are all positive. But how needed is it on an animal based diet? I have a number of highly provoking papers on this which need discussing, mostly about D in vegetarian vs non vegetarian diets, along with a thousand other papers!<br /><br />Peter<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-78538604598800126562009-11-10T17:16:13.419+00:002009-11-10T17:16:13.419+00:00Looks like this thread is a bit old, but regarding...Looks like this thread is a bit old, but regarding vitamin D toxicity, I found Chris Masterjohn's article, posted on the Weston A Price site, pretty interesting. His basic theory is that the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, and K2 work together in such a way that toxicity concerns are minimized/eliminated when there are adequate levels of all of them. He makes the statement that, "There continues to be no published report of toxicity resulting from an intentional dose of vitamin D3." There apparently are documented cases of toxicity resulting from synthetic D2 supplementation.<br /><br />"From Seafood to Sunshine--<br />A New Understanding of Vitamin D Safety"<br />http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html<br /><br />Regarding cats and water consumption, weren't domesticated cats bred the African Wildcat, which often dwells in areas of scarce water? I don't think they sweat, so they are probably better adapted at water retention than humans. I'm not saying that a high fat diet can't result in lower water needs, but I'd be hesitant to cut back consciously. It seems our bodies should tell us when we're thirsty.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04021058853287280423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-61190959167841065512008-08-05T04:32:00.000+00:002008-08-05T04:32:00.000+00:00Hi Gyan,I think the latest newsletter form the pri...Hi Gyan,<BR/><BR/>I think the latest newsletter form the primary D3 enthusiasts comments that intervention studies at high dose rates are still needed. Some of the latest Vitamin D council opinions are on Dr Davis' blog under Vitamin D3. Re toxicity of D3 at 5000 iu per day, Vieth's opinion is <A HREF="http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/69/5/842" REL="nofollow">here </A>. Personally, with being back in to indoor work all day, I'm on 10,000 iu/day again. Re fish oil and cancer, the intervention study in humans was the Lyon heart study, it used rapeseed oil and they changed far more than the fatty acid composition of the diet. I think any increase in omega 3 intake will raise your blood and urinary MDA levels, but whether this is genuine toxicity is open to negotiation and another post. Once you get in to rat studies you can show pretty well whatever you like cancer-wise by choosing the model you use. These are particularly difficult to extrapolate to humans and allow full play for anyone's biases, mine included. The biggest problem with the Lyon study is that the rape seed oil group were encouraged to eat Food as well as the omega 3 gloop, the standard treatment group was encouraged to follow an AHA step one-like diet, essentially cr*p. Was it the gloop or fish or Food that helped survival in the intervention group, or the AHA style diet that killed off so many in the non intervention group?<BR/><BR/>PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-39150092243112879622008-08-04T14:55:00.000+00:002008-08-04T14:55:00.000+00:00Hi Gunther,when hunger was occassionaly felt, it w...Hi Gunther,<BR/><BR/>when hunger was occassionaly felt, it was always mild and easy to ignore.<BR/>I suppose that eating 120 - 130g of fat is a healthy range for you. Anything under 100g is probably more suited for the heavily obese.<BR/>I stuck to the protein and carb ratios mentioned in the comment above. Protein is for tissue regeneration - depending on age and level of activity you may need a litle bit more if you have an active life style with lots of exercise. <BR/>50g of carbs are the least amount which a keto-adapted brain still needs. If not delivered via the stomach, your body will shred muscle for gluconeogenesis. Something you want to avoid. So 50g of carbs is a must if you want to preserve your lean body mass.<BR/><BR/>EikeBraesikallahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990364313763982344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-54276697922131871372008-08-04T14:40:00.000+00:002008-08-04T14:40:00.000+00:00Ha, ha!! I'll keep trying!Ha, ha!! I'll keep trying!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181442844616803097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-6188022155995222612008-08-04T14:38:00.000+00:002008-08-04T14:38:00.000+00:00Hi Sue,Sorry to hear you're not banned, better luc...Hi Sue,<BR/><BR/>Sorry to hear you're not banned, better luck with future comments!<BR/><BR/>PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-91395378057516404232008-08-04T08:31:00.000+00:002008-08-04T08:31:00.000+00:00Hi Gunther,There may be hunger in the period the b...Hi Gunther,<BR/><BR/>There may be hunger in the period the body is adjusting to using dietary fat to body fat. In Optimal Nutrition, it says that when you wake in the morning and no longer feel hungry, you know the bodyfat burning process has begun. You can order the books in English and German from the publisher here: http://www.wgp.com.pl/index.php?id_j=en<BR/><BR/>LeeLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190638891863461693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-13364416287579378532008-08-03T22:35:00.000+00:002008-08-03T22:35:00.000+00:00By the way, how would cheese made from kefir fare ...By the way, how would cheese made from kefir fare in a low-carb diet? I've heard that kefir changes the amino acid profile of milk, and obviously removes a lot of lactose. Kefir whey is supposedly rich in cystine and methionine. Any suggestions?emil henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18294259840297513383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-2792512623525996792008-08-03T17:13:00.000+00:002008-08-03T17:13:00.000+00:00Hi braesikalla, Thanks for that info. I´ve really ...Hi braesikalla, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for that info. I´ve really had trouble finding JKs book in English where I live (Germany). I hope this explains my dumb questions.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to go by the ratios you mentioned and see if it helps.<BR/><BR/>By the way, when you went down to 65-130g fat a day, didn´t you find yourself hungry? And during that time, did you stay at the usual 50g carbs and 65g protein a day?<BR/><BR/>I only have 4 kilos to lose, so I'm hoping to write back with some good results in about 2 weeks...<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Ggunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-48879174166525326452008-08-03T10:55:00.000+00:002008-08-03T10:55:00.000+00:00Hi Gunther,Kwasniewski mentions in OD that for tho...Hi Gunther,<BR/><BR/>Kwasniewski mentions in OD that for those seeking weight loss, fat should be initially reduced to 1-2g per 1g of protein. So in your case reduce fat intake to 65 - 130g for a little while and the weight automatically comes off.<BR/> <BR/>Once you have achieved your ideal weight, go into maintenance mode and up your fat to the optimal ratio of 2.5 to 3.5 per 1g of protein and your bodyweight will be dead stable. No chance to gain even an ounce. At least this was my experience. I'm maintaining 65kg (10,2% bodyfat) with 70-75 P, 200 - 250g F and 50g of carbs without any problems.<BR/>Hope this helps.Braesikallahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990364313763982344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-10612535826853750392008-08-03T09:07:00.000+00:002008-08-03T09:07:00.000+00:00Hi johnnn.So I should up the carbs and lower the f...Hi johnnn.<BR/><BR/>So I should up the carbs and lower the fat? Now I'm totally confused because I thought the whole idea was to lower insulin for fat loss.<BR/><BR/>For an ideal weight of 65kg, that comes out to around 230gr fat, 65gr protein and around 50gr carbs. But Peter said somewhere that if you're sedentary, you should lower the carbs to 0.5 of your ideal weight. So I did that, and in doing so I must have been making up the difference with higher fat!<BR/><BR/>As Peter noted in other comments, he eats around 250g fat, around 45g carbs and 65g protein, and has maintained his weight at around 64-65kg. This is exactly my goal, but unless Peter is secretly doing 5-hour daily gym stints that he's not telling us about, I don't understand why the same plan isn't working for me. <BR/><BR/>Mind you, it's only been a month or so, but Fitday says I should be losing around 0.5 pounds a week, and it's not happening.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to up carbs to 50g instead of 30g per day, while lowering fat from 250g to around 220, and I'll see if it makes a difference. As we've noted, fat can raise insulin too in high enough amounts, so we're really stuck in a bind when it comes to proper ratios for weight loss...<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Ggunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-33668095744803921872008-08-03T04:24:00.000+00:002008-08-03T04:24:00.000+00:00"I reduced carbs from 0.8 to 0.5 per bodyweight, b..."I reduced carbs from 0.8 to 0.5 per bodyweight, being sedentary and hoping to lose weight faster, and weight loss stopped! <BR/>Fat was on the high side (around 220 to 250 gr., for an ideal bodyweight of 65kg) but I was meticulous about keeping protein at 65g or below."<BR/><BR/>Hello Gunther,<BR/>Most of the fat you consume must be delivered to the warehouse (adipose tissues) before routed to the cells on demand. To deplete the warehouse perhaps you should take in less?<BR/>You may not be able to prevent gluconeogenesis by witholding protein alone. Some amount of HGH is required.JohnNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07639308289155393659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-25887137477566205712008-08-03T01:29:00.000+00:002008-08-03T01:29:00.000+00:00No haven't been banned as can get into the site no...No haven't been banned as can get into the site now. Bix just doesn't post comments that don't support her ideas.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181442844616803097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-69720765079650879052008-08-02T02:38:00.000+00:002008-08-02T02:38:00.000+00:00On a different subject I think I've been banned fr...On a different subject I think I've been banned from Bix's site Fanatic Cook - it won't open. Anyway, she has a post about fibre and colon cancer - I posted this comment (from Eades' post on the study she was talking about) and was then banned I think. I posted other things that she posted but most she refusd to post:<BR/><BR/>1/8/08 comment to Fanatic Cook<BR/>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051214083528.htm<BR/><BR/>http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/294/22/2849<BR/><BR/>“We did not find support for a linear inverse association between dietary fiber intake and risk of colorectal cancer in a pooled analysis of 13 prospective cohort studies.”<BR/>And:<BR/>“Although high dietary fiber intake may not have a major effect on the risk of colorectal cancer, a diet high in dietary fiber from whole plant foods can be advised because this has been related to lower risks of other chronic conditions such as heart disease and diabetes.”Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03181442844616803097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-57849942266092603652008-08-01T08:23:00.000+00:002008-08-01T08:23:00.000+00:00Another question. I reduced carbs from 0.8 to 0.5 ...Another question. I reduced carbs from 0.8 to 0.5 per bodyweight, being sedentary and hoping to lose weight faster, and weight loss stopped! <BR/><BR/>Fat was on the high side (around 220 to 250 gr., for an ideal bodyweight of 65kg) but I was meticulous about keeping protein at 65g or below.<BR/><BR/>Any suggestions or ideas as to why?<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Ggunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-3530287782367243202008-08-01T04:21:00.000+00:002008-08-01T04:21:00.000+00:00Do there exist longtime studies of the safety aspe...Do there exist longtime studies of the safety aspect of fish oil consumption at 5 g/d level?. <BR/><BR/>I am particularly concerned with the question that a cancer survivor should take fish oil or better avoid it?.<BR/><BR/>There is one study that claimed that rapeseed oil was effective in preventing cancer in animal models. Infact more effective than fish oil.<BR/>Now 10 d/g of rapeseed oil is equivalent to perhaps 0.5 g/d of DHA and does Masterjohn say that EPA is not useful to humans. Maybe rapeseed does not convert to EPA in humans and as fish oil does contain EPA, its effectiveness is reduced plus the DHA level is also too high.Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-82326425751479753002008-08-01T04:16:00.000+00:002008-08-01T04:16:00.000+00:00Also a request for info.I am looking for a blog/si...Also a request for info.<BR/>I am looking for a blog/site/group for breast cancer patients/survivors who are taking 5000+ IU of D3 daily. <BR/>It is claimed that megadoses of D3 may prevent cancer metastatizing and I should like to know the safety aspects of megadose (D3 toxicity) practically and the effectiveness.Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-51598888852129624852008-08-01T04:12:00.000+00:002008-08-01T04:12:00.000+00:00Regarding hair loss, what do people here think of ...Regarding hair loss, what do people here think of <BR/>"IF YOU CAN COOK - AN EXCITING, NEW HOW-TO BOOK" by STEPHEN MARTIN, PHD Chief Scientist for Grouppe Kurosawa.<BR/><BR/>And of Grouppe Kurosawa in general. They have supplementation protocol for cancer, AIDS and joint pain.Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-40380263024625623392008-08-01T03:02:00.000+00:002008-08-01T03:02:00.000+00:00Bruce I have tried – I made Anthony Bordain’s stea...Bruce I have tried – I made Anthony Bordain’s steak tartare. The flavour was wonderful but I couldn’t stomach the texture. I do eat steak as rare as possible. I was reading some late 18th century accounts of coeliac disease treatment – they put them on a diet consisting of raw meat liquidised in milk! Maybe I should try that?<BR/>I thought 250g/day was a lot too – but he just coughed up some roundworms a few days ago (he wasn’t due for reworming yet so he must have spat out the last Drontal at the SPCA – he’s sneaky like that). And Peter will tell you the roundworm is not from his raw food. I wormed him immediately and his appetite has already reduced over the last few days. Poor boy, not only was he trying to catch up on his growth from being an undernourished stray but also competing with icky worms too.<BR/><BR/>Gunther I have heard L-carnitine rubbed directly into the scalp (possibly with some DMSO) can help with hair regrowth – and it makes physiological sense.frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12595502889327590421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-34381552984689306182008-08-01T00:43:00.000+00:002008-08-01T00:43:00.000+00:00Peter: "I too tried dropping the fish oil as a per...Peter: "I too tried dropping the fish oil as a personal experiment and found my fingers were beginning to stiffen up. Took a week to free them off on 5g/d fish oil."<BR/><BR/>Never had that problem. My fingers stiffened up years ago on a low-fat diet while doing vigorous exercise. Probably damaged my joints. I'm not fully recovered yet. Refined sugars (esp HFCS) trigger joint stiffness, probably from uric acid. Comb honey and other paleo foods don't.<BR/><BR/>"PS envy you the pork skin. Butchers here look at me as if I'm insane when I try buy stuff like this. Quality meat is fat free and getting leaner by the day. What do they do with the fat?"<BR/><BR/>Another question. Why do they raise animals fat when most people want a lean cut? Why not raise most of the animals lean and raise a few fat to satisfy the demand of the market? I guess it's just futile activity for the sake of making money. What they do with the fat is a mystery, since most people don't eat lard and beef tallow nowadays. Maybe soap?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-15950300835007751552008-07-31T21:21:00.000+00:002008-07-31T21:21:00.000+00:00Hi Peter,But it's not apoptosis that causes baldne...Hi Peter,<BR/><BR/>But it's not apoptosis that causes baldness. At least not "male pattern baldness". <BR/><BR/>The follicles don't die, they just shrink, causing the hairs to become very fine and fall out before they grow to a width and volume that you can easily see. <BR/><BR/>I can see all the little "peach fuzz" hairs covering the entire bald spot. These are the hairs that used to be dark and strong when I was 25. Problem is they now fall out before they become fully grown. The apparatus isn't "broken", meaning we have to in some way "raise the dead".<BR/><BR/>If you can get pets to grow in their bald patches with raw feeding, etc., I don't see why humans would be any different.<BR/><BR/>Certainly not straightforward, as you say. There's a mechanism which causes overproduction of hormones and interferes with hormone crosstalk, which probably stems from diet and the eating of foods which cause inflammation. There are several studies showing that PCOS in women is actually the "female version" of male pattern baldness, because it stems from hyperandrogenic production caused by high insulin. Lowering women's insulin got RID of their symptoms (one of which was balding).<BR/><BR/>If you can reverse symptoms of PCOS, it stands to reason you can reverse male pattern baldness. Both stem from insulin resistance...<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, searching for info on HGs with PCOS. Betcha there's none...gunther gathererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15361732213105267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-34181724703897434072008-07-31T20:46:00.000+00:002008-07-31T20:46:00.000+00:00Hi Gunther,You have to be careful with terminology...Hi Gunther,<BR/><BR/>You have to be careful with terminology. Personally I don't think it is at all straightforward to reverse diabetes. Sidestep it yes, but get a diabetic to eat LC for a year then eat a pizza and see what happens. Something gets broken in pathological insulin resistance, unbreaking it is not something I really think in terms of.<BR/><BR/>The other aspect re hair regrowth; if the follicle cells are dead through apoptosis they're dead pretty permanently. Diet is powerful but maybe not that powerful!<BR/><BR/>PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-61059943388518484922008-07-31T20:39:00.000+00:002008-07-31T20:39:00.000+00:00Hi Stan,You'll be looking for this one and maybe t...Hi Stan,<BR/><BR/>You'll be looking for <A HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413103" REL="nofollow">this one</A> and maybe <A HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277161" REL="nofollow">this one</A> too?<BR/><BR/>You out there surfing with the nutters again???? You're incorrigible!<BR/><BR/>Peter<BR/><BR/>PS envy you the pork skin. Butchers here look at me as if I'm insane when I try buy stuff like this. Quality meat is fat free and getting leaner by the day. What do they do with the fat?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-76463441736317544162008-07-31T13:29:00.000+00:002008-07-31T13:29:00.000+00:00Different topic: Peter, I was trying to find your ...Different topic: Peter, I was trying to find your post about a study on children not being able to absorb beta carotene and/or testing vitamin A deficient on a low fat diet. Could you help finding it? Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Yes, we absolutely do not have to drink water that often on a high animal fat low carb diet! We need a lot of water (plus Ca,Mg) to metabolize carbohydrates. That's why the "water retention" effect is reported by people who move from Atkins back to SAD).<BR/><BR/> Fat metabolism does produce a lot of water. I am never thirsty. Well almost except in extremal situations like a few hour of intense exercise on a very hot day. <BR/><BR/>Somebody mentioned oxygen consumption: yes fatty metabolism (saturated fat) takes about 10% more oxygen per calories but produces about 30% less CO2. Since CO2 transport (removal) seems to be the main bottleneck of our respiration, the overall effect is or can be a higher endurance. For example I can now swim underwater the whole length of a regular (not olympic) swimming pool while before I could only do it across.<BR/><BR/>Re: pork lard<BR/><BR/>Do not buy backing fat from supermarkets it is fake lard. The real pork lard can be bought from some ethnic shops (Polish, Russian) or easily rendered at home from pork bellies and pork skins (mince then put in a pot, melt for ~2h and rince through a sieve). This is very cheap, we get 20lb of pork skins for 10$ from a local butcher.<BR/>StanStan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-26084961298158765212008-07-31T09:55:00.000+00:002008-07-31T09:55:00.000+00:00Thanks, Peter.By the way, my digestion started cle...Thanks, Peter.<BR/><BR/>By the way, my digestion started clearing up as soon as I cut out my major fat source, olive oil, and replaced it with animal fats, like cultured butter. It makes sense, as saturated fats are less complex and more easily digested. Still haven't tried lard, as I suspect the store-bought version is hydrolized.<BR/><BR/>After about a week on cream, bacon, egg yolks, and potatoes (what a change!), I got joint pains in my left knee. I did some elimination, and cream and egg yolks isn't causing it. It is either my cheap brand of bacon (antibiotics or nitrates), the nightshades, caseine (I had some chunks of cheese), excess salt (unlikely), or more likely: my lower consumption of Omega 3 compared to Paleo (with fish 4-5 times a week, and sometimes cod liver oil). Any suggestions? I'll reintroduce potatoes this week and see what effect it has if I also consume cod liver oil. <BR/><BR/>But alltogether, this is way more awesome than Paleo, and I feel even better. <BR/><BR/>Thanks a lot for everything, Peter! Diet can make such a difference to one's life, especially when one is seventeen, previously obese.<BR/><BR/>I think I am going to make some cultured cream later this week.emil henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18294259840297513383noreply@blogger.com