tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post4169542873093108751..comments2024-03-27T22:57:00.742+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Rheumatoid arthritis and fastingPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-78715005797785776592011-10-03T18:14:53.924+00:002011-10-03T18:14:53.924+00:00Salmonella, campylobacter, yersinia, pseudomonas, ...Salmonella, campylobacter, yersinia, pseudomonas, acinetobacter, klebsiella. They are all pretty well ubiquitous. Good old legionella is quite widespread outside of air con coolers too.<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-21936926441884913382011-10-03T16:31:55.416+00:002011-10-03T16:31:55.416+00:00anthrax?anthrax?Anek Dodlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711293797065642177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-5254984062375856712011-09-19T19:37:13.367+00:002011-09-19T19:37:13.367+00:00I now have a couple of mature Lime trees, an Oak a...I now have a couple of mature Lime trees, an Oak and a Sycamore in my garden. I dig up some earth from the bare ground under the canopy, shake it up with some water, let it settle out and drink the supernatant. I agree it sounds weird but the cult of bacteriophobia and cleanliness probably has a great deal to answer for. We get out microbiota from our mother's perineum (and rectum, if you've been there you'll know what happens, this "accident" is no accident at all...), her skin and from soil at weaning. Hazel sticks EVERYTHING in her mouth. I try to avoid clearly toxic leaves... Before we had a garden I'd go out to a patch of ancient woodland (Norfolk and Suffolk have quite a few of these) for my climax woodland bugs. Yeah gods, I get stranger with each passing year! But where else should we get our gut microbiota from? Preferable to the cot in an ICU unit, grateful though I would be for one of those if a child of ours ever needed it!<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-50304541214858739672011-09-18T20:59:31.408+00:002011-09-18T20:59:31.408+00:00Thank you very much, Mary and Peter. :) I'm ve...Thank you very much, Mary and Peter. :) I'm very lucky with my RA. I do get pain in my back at night and a little bit of stiffness on my right toe that quickly goes away, nothing like it used to be when it hurt to walk, so the low-carb diet seems to be working. But of course, any advise on improvements that I can make is very much appreciated. <br /><br />Peter, I read in one of your comments that you've been supplement-free for quite some time, so I'm assuming you get your soil bacteria from your home-grown vegetables? For those of us who don't have a back yard where they can grow their own stuff, I imagine it would be a good idea to take pro/pre-biotics in pill form? I'm just not sure what type of probiotics I should be asking for at the pharmacy. I absolutely love making my own yogurts but, just like Itsthewoo, I find they cause me to eat compulsively and gain weight, so I don't use them anymore.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14679839426291667211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-14103046383397661662011-09-18T19:43:05.866+00:002011-09-18T19:43:05.866+00:00A throw away comment:
Eat germs. My own choices a...A throw away comment:<br /><br />Eat germs. My own choices are definitely yoghurt and soil bacteria. The soil bacteria seem especially beneficial and I know of other people who have had success with diversifying their gut microbiota. I'm still no plant lover but bugs are a different matter.<br /><br />Beats a colonic microbiota transplant.<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-55783178481827402742011-09-18T16:24:51.935+00:002011-09-18T16:24:51.935+00:00@M
I, too, had severe rheumatoid arthritis. I co...@M<br /><br />I, too, had severe rheumatoid arthritis. I could only sleep 1-1/2 hours before waking up with severe pain everywhere. <br /><br />As RA drugs have sometimes lethal side effects, I refused all treatment and instead researched online what foods cause flareups in others, experimented on myself and adjusted my diet accordingly. Miraculously, after three years I had myself in complete remission. My diet was primarily low carb except for buckwheat my only "grain".<br /><br />After three years of remission, I went completely low carb which meant eliminating buckwheat and starchy vegetables and had problems with constipation so I contacted someone I knew was battling diabetes. Offhand, he added that I might find science bloggers interesting. That led me to the "Cooling Inflammation" blog by Art Ayers, PhD. He has a MUCH easier method of achieving the same results as I did without weakening my immune system by eliminating foods that cause flareups forever. <br /><br />All inflammation is essentially caused by missing gut flora (bacteria) usually caused by the use of antibiotics. A strong immune system requires a diverse diet because some gut flora evolved to be dependent on other flora already being present before it can establish itself in your intestines. This sounds daunting, but it's actually easy to accomplish by eating a diverse diet (especially strong plants that are resistant to disease and insects - like herbs, weeds/foraging, wild berries in moderation) and continuing to try the foods that cause flareups until you've reached tolerance (a few weeks at most). Dr. Ayers advocates gardening and eating vegetables merely rinsed off (partly "dirty") for the good bacteria they provide while being careful not to pick up parasites. He also advocates pets and children and friends in good health who will also pass good bacteria to you. <br /><br />He also has good suggestions about how to manage pain with mentholated ointments like Vicks vaporub while you "cure" yourself through diet.<br /><br />If it all sounds bizarre, I can assure it works. I've been free of RA for almost 5 years now. Good luck to you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-78496512433890469942011-09-17T22:43:27.747+00:002011-09-17T22:43:27.747+00:00Just a warning to anyone considering going on a 7 ...Just a warning to anyone considering going on a 7 day total fast. Reading around on the internet you're told you just feel a little less low on energy, that you feel the need to lie down a bit more often, etc, but that on the whole it's perfectly fine and easily endurable, and even hunger goes away after a while. My experience was by the third day I was sure someone would have to scrape me off the floor and send me to hospital if I continued to do it any longer. I couldn't even lie down in bed, no matter how tired I felt, because any position was painful. I had pain in my joints like I never experienced before, and in places where I never had, and it went on for long after I ended it (just 3 days in). For over a week I couldn't even pick up something off the floor without having to get down on both my knees, it was that painful. I definitely believe in the theory behind fasting, it all makes absolute perfect sense, but there have to be other factors that aren't being taken into consideration, because my experience was that it was just a painful, worthless sacrifice that didn't make me any healthier.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14679839426291667211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-74459738258717046442011-07-25T04:46:57.014+00:002011-07-25T04:46:57.014+00:00It would certainly be worth a try, and some eggs w...It would certainly be worth a try, and some eggs would help too.<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-37123628870059556502011-07-20T20:14:38.173+00:002011-07-20T20:14:38.173+00:00"I'd suggest with a single food substance..."I'd suggest with a single food substance of absolutely no allergenic potential and of no use to P. mirabilis. Beef dripping comes to mind. I discussed long chain fatty acids and starving your gut bacteria in the fiaf posts. The colon, home to P. mirabilis, is anaerobic. Nothing can be done here with a fatty acid. Fatty acids only do oxidation, never fermentation."<br /><br />Wouldn't following a one week diet exclusively with saturated fats like dripping, lard or coconut oil do the trick just as well as starving for a week, then? This would be especially relevant to those who already suffer from eating disorders like anorexia, and can't afford to starve themselves more than they already do.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14679839426291667211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-34223131498019361692010-06-26T17:48:40.487+00:002010-06-26T17:48:40.487+00:00Hi Gardensongs,
Sorry to be so slow but I'm j...Hi Gardensongs,<br /><br />Sorry to be so slow but I'm just getting my head above water and am having trouble working out to whom I've replied and to whom I haven't!<br /><br />The basic idea of a fast with LC to break it is exactly how I would go. Most of the green leaf veggies seem to be safe, as do berry type fruits, along with the honey so marked ketosis shouldn't be needed.<br /><br />I take a lot of Elaine Gottschall's ideas on board (I have a pdf of her allowed and verboten foods, email if you would like a copy) so the home made probiotics are a very reasonable choice. By the time you have some veggies in your diet to keep you out of frank ketosis they will provide enough fibre as far as I can see. You will be up around 10g/d, close to the SAD anyway.<br /><br />Ultimately your joints will tell you when you have done something food-wise that you shouldn't have. Tracking inflammatory markers is interesting but getting out of bed having slept all night is probably a better marker of progress...<br /><br />Good luck and again sorry for the delay<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-56405283740355672522010-06-20T15:03:52.460+00:002010-06-20T15:03:52.460+00:00Have questions, hope to encourage your reading/mus...Have questions, hope to encourage your reading/musing on RA. We need help from minds like yours.<br /><br />Some history: <br />12/2004 acute anemia - ferritin level 6. IV infusions 3 over 12 months - levels normal, checked yearly.<br /><br />1/2005 -hypothyroid, dx 2005, probably had 6 years previous. 112 mcg Levothyroxin. <br /><br />6/2009 - acute de Quervain's tendinitis left wrist, mild in right. PT/acupuncture/massage/chiropractic/splinting - no cortisone - almost pain free now.<br /><br />3/2010 - dx celiac, gluten free since<br /><br />5/2010 - "see stars" re-injury left wrist, new PT (taught diagnostics at Duke U), sent to Rheumatologist, MRI showed DeQuervain's and "early degenerative changes at the triscaphe joint & slightly increased signal and probable degenerative changes at the DRUJ" <br /><br />6/21: RA factor of 61 <br />Anti CCP negative<br />sed rate by modified westergren 9<br />C-Reactive protein 0.21<br />Rheumatologist dx early RA. Prescribed drugs, but will follow me as I search for alternatives.<br /><br />labs 5/2010:<br />D, 25 oh total 36 - supplementing 8000 <br /><br />I started a 3.5-day water only fast. Broke the fast when I started getting dizzy. <br /><br />Broke the fast with bacon and spoonful of honey in tea. Two days of bacon and honey.<br /><br />Steak today – OK so far.<br /><br />1. Any general ideas about this whole adventure, what the test results mean or don't, what else I should be doing/not doing. <br /><br />2. Is the fiber in herbs and spices enough to feed the gut bacteria?<br /><br />3. Are supplementing with probiotics a good idea? Homemade heavy cream yogurt? (12/2009 my stool analysis for lactobacillus, biufidobacterium and bacillus were all negative and MD encouraged probiotics)<br /><br />4. any additional tests recommended? <br /><br />5. If I juice and strain onions, lemons, limes - is the juice then fiber free - to use for a little variety in cooking?<br /><br />As you said, this gorilla, although just a toddler, has caught my attention. I'm in this for the long haul, and will do whatever I need to do to get myself back to health. Bacon and steak – not a bad life sentence compared to RA…<br /><br />Thanks so much for all you time, all your wonderful blogs, and if you can add anything to my quest, I'm ever grateful.Gardensongshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16356522243016117247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-87104143639190033272010-05-13T00:44:10.908+00:002010-05-13T00:44:10.908+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anek Dodlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711293797065642177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-86258137181797846552010-01-06T21:19:04.663+00:002010-01-06T21:19:04.663+00:00Hi Andy,
My guess is that they didn't want to...Hi Andy,<br /><br />My guess is that they didn't want to risk hypercalcaemia and could give a big dose of D agonist by using a non calcitropic drug. This is pure pharmacology, like using dexamethasone to mimic cortisol, with all of the fallout that that entails. But interesting never the less. You would need to look 20 years doiwn the road to find out whether the approach yields net benefit. Sounds better than steroids, methotrexate and NSAID though... Personally I'd dump the fibre/starches and see whether I still needed the D3!<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-3509267134054692012009-12-27T13:16:03.682+00:002009-12-27T13:16:03.682+00:00I found this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...I found this study:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10464556" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10464556</a><br /><br />They used high dose vitamin D analogue, alphacalcidiol, along with standard DMARD therapy to treat rheumatoid arthritis. It worked rather effectively. 45% had complete remission and 44% had a satisfactory effect.<br /><br />Don't know why they used an analogue and not the real thing or whether actual vitamin D has the same effect. One might guess so, cause epidemiology suggests a link between RA and vitamin D deficiency.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03871682286225024133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-2988843691754459302009-02-22T21:13:00.000+00:002009-02-22T21:13:00.000+00:00Hi Rich,Good to hear you are getting on well and, ...Hi Rich,<BR/><BR/>Good to hear you are getting on well and, yes, I think the nightshades are probably a neglected source of lectins.<BR/><BR/>The main problem I have with considering MCT's as good compared to animal fats is that the evidence base implicating animal fats in any sort of adverse health outcome is very dubious indeed and that what is available comes from people with no understanding of physiological insulin resistance on high fat diets. Linking this latter normal feature of metabolism to the metabolic syndrome is a major error, along with many others!<BR/><BR/>PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-86516700928208897902009-02-20T06:18:00.000+00:002009-02-20T06:18:00.000+00:00True about the resistance of ‘conventional wisdom’...True about the resistance of ‘conventional wisdom’ and The Medical Establishment to effects of low carb diets. I have RA, some heart trouble, and am pre-diabetic. My present regime cuts out (= no) gluten, starchy foods, milk products, nightshade vegetables, and sweet stuff of any kind. Weight is down 3 kg, RA improved in 10 days so I can make a fist. Actually, there’s a lot of good things to eat out there. <BR/><BR/>My study suggests that conditions such as RA and many tumors are potentially caused by many factors. Thus I believe that searches for single causes and magic bullets will be unsuccessful. <BR/><BR/>Studies may find that a particular treatment is only ~ 20 % effective, and dismiss it from further consideration — WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THAT TREATMENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 100% EFFECTIVE IN CONTROLLING DISEASE CAUSED BY A PARTICULAR FACTOR. Since one (or one’s doctor) doesn’t know which factors are active, one should attack as many as possible, in hopes of hitting the right one. <BR/><BR/>All with difficulty in low-carb diet acceptance (self or by others) might find it useful to read:<BR/>The Internet Journal of Nutrition and Wellness<BR/>ISSN: XXXX-XXXX<BR/><BR/>Arguments In Favor Of Ketogenic Diets<BR/>Joaquín Pérez-Guisado <BR/><BR/>It is very well-researched and considers negative findings also.<BR/><BR/>There is also information which suggests that UNHYDROGENATED coconut oild does not deserve the bad rap it has gotten as a saturated fat. It seems t be metabolised much better that C-18, C-20, and C-22 palm oil and animal fats. <BR/><BR/>Thanks to all for sharing your experiences.<BR/><BR/>RichRichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13205459336611670970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-32865621166247990472008-08-21T18:57:00.000+00:002008-08-21T18:57:00.000+00:00Thanks Peter I appreciate your reply. Yes I hoped...Thanks Peter I appreciate your reply. Yes I hoped the main point was avoiding the gluten.<BR/><BR/>I can't follow the science but I trust your analysis and conclustions.<BR/><BR/>I've noticed on quite a few of your blogs that you refer to the price of meat and like you I enjoy the cheap / fatty cuts. However it seems sense to me to try to get grass fed meat, for the CLA and the quality of the fat, and I would never eat non-organic offal. I think that non-organic, save for lamb / mutton, is more likely to have been fed up with rubbish - certainly soya and cereals though organic food does not guarantee their absence.<BR/><BR/>I think that avoiding nightshade plants can be helpful for RA in some people and I will try it after I've finished the ones I bought recently.<BR/><BR/>Just now unpasteurised cream is dark yellow and fairly solid; lots of vitamin A and D and CLA. Irrestistable!Hermionehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10593501845796050576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-82698190227902047932008-08-21T18:26:00.000+00:002008-08-21T18:26:00.000+00:00Peter: Thanks a lot for the reply. If fats slow do...Peter: Thanks a lot for the reply. <BR/><BR/>If fats slow down the absorbtion of potatoes/dextrose, wouldn't this reduce glycation? <BR/><BR/>Gunther: Excellent work on reaching your goals. What other blogs, by the way?emil henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18294259840297513383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-51499630871310911012008-08-21T15:29:00.000+00:002008-08-21T15:29:00.000+00:00Peter,I was wondering what areas you have disagree...Peter,<BR/><BR/>I was wondering what areas you have disagreements with Taubes?<BR/><BR/>THanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-57381285205305074252008-08-21T14:58:00.000+00:002008-08-21T14:58:00.000+00:00Susan wrote:It only allows simple sugar in the for...Susan wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>It only allows simple sugar in the form of small quantities of honey. There are no grains, no corn, no potatoes...nothing to feed the gut bugs.</I><BR/><BR/>This is an interesting comment, also Bruce wrote a similar observation. I once saw a study indicating that honey is a very powerful germicide due to it's bacterial cellullar membrane-busting property, which may be offsetting it's very high sugar contents. Just a thought (I am not advocating to eat a lot of honey, but it just may be the lesser evil).<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Stan (Heretic)Stan Bleszynskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03922719716458272303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-90612011298908597792008-08-21T13:59:00.000+00:002008-08-21T13:59:00.000+00:00gunther gatherer,Here is one of Dr. Eades' posts a...gunther gatherer,<BR/>Here is one of Dr. Eades' posts about not gaining weight in maintenance if carbs are kept low. I also included one paragraph from said post. You might want to check out more from his blog, I've learned a lot there.<BR/><BR/>And thanks for the JK info, I'll be checking it out.<BR/><BR/>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/low-carb-and-calories-part-2/<BR/><BR/><I>As you may recall from the earlier post, a lowered insulin levels opens the door to the fat cells, allowing fat to come out to be burned. If your dietary intake meets all your body’s energy needs, however, your body will simply use these dietary calories and leave the calories in your fat cells alone. And you won’t lose. But lowered insulin levels pretty much prevents fat from going into the fat cells, so even if your caloric intake goes up - as long as your insulin stays low - you won’t store more fat in the fat cells. And your weight will stay the same.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-90005900897611238882008-08-21T12:54:00.000+00:002008-08-21T12:54:00.000+00:00Hi Susan,Yes, I've read alot about the SCD and I'd...Hi Susan,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I've read alot about the SCD and I'd agree there is a lot of good practice there. It also reminds me of Caroline Sincaire's IBS/ankylosing spondylitis diet, starch free. These both seem to be pretty effective in a large proportion of people but not all. Fair enough, they're both likely to improve on prednisolone and ibuprofen. I think there are tweaks to both, Sinclaire missed the roll of nightshade lectins and SCD may miss people with salicilate intolerance. But with some tweaking both can be modified to align pretty closely to JK's approach.<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone has all the answers, except perhaps Ray Peat and Bruce.<BR/><BR/>PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-83668124482447027902008-08-21T12:40:00.000+00:002008-08-21T12:40:00.000+00:00Hi Hermione,It looks like this studyhttp://www.ncb...Hi Hermione,<BR/><BR/>It looks like this study<BR/><BR/>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600749<BR/><BR/>which got blogged on under the Gluten and Rheumatoid post some while ago.<BR/><BR/>As far as I'm concerned the gluten avoidance is what matters, the vegan aspect is a red herring<BR/><BR/>Peter<BR/><BR/>PS I don't moderate comments on Hyperlipid unless they are simple advertising (rare). The fact that Bruce posts here dosen't remotely make him (or anyone else) a fan. The fact they are here certainly does not mean I agree with them and anyone is welcome to visit Ray Peat or anyone else's sites if they want infinitely better information than that which they find here. Not for me though, as I'm far to biased and one sided to listen to anyone else! It's true.<BR/><BR/>Re Pork, I'm currently on beef as it's £0.98/400g. Pork is over £1.60/400g and this makes a differnce to me! UK lard has BHT in it as well as rather a lot of omega 6 PUFA, so dripping (tallow) is my preferred fat (plus butter).Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-36871742207667087172008-08-21T09:37:00.000+00:002008-08-21T09:37:00.000+00:00sorry, my fingers got stuck: the Swedish study fou...sorry, my fingers got stuck: the Swedish study found that the vegan diet WITHOUT grains was more successful. This study came out just as I resolved to try low- carb and was reading through to hyperlipid, so it is rather unnerving.Hermionehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10593501845796050576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-61422582827294502272008-08-21T09:33:00.000+00:002008-08-21T09:33:00.000+00:00The link I posted above is to the recent Swedish s...The link I posted above is to the recent Swedish study that looked at a vegan diet with and without grains. The diet with grains was more successful, apparently.<BR/><BR/>Bruce K why avoid pork? I am new to the idea of a hyperlipid diet and am just getting used to the idea that pork is good (JK) and now I read your recommendation to avoid it!<BR/><BR/>As for PUFAs, if you don't use them as cooking oils and avoid food "products" aren't any naturally occurring PUFAs going to be in manageable proportions.<BR/><BR/>I find the different approaches even within the hyperlipid fan group totally bewildering.Hermionehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10593501845796050576noreply@blogger.com