tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post6486283965847137815..comments2024-03-29T06:45:45.894+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Coconut oil and obesityPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-14280853750007560902022-12-16T15:03:05.650+00:002022-12-16T15:03:05.650+00:00I wonder how much of a wild rat / mouse is nuts an...I wonder how much of a wild rat / mouse is nuts and seeds. Is this really seasonal such that fattening up periodically is just "part of the plan". Or are there things in whole nuts / seeds / foods that balance out the LA part? I'm just trying to figure out if people eating nuts is just as strange as eating french fries or nuts are actually K to eat.<br /><br />JohnUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16863962246443471593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-64289516017920111852022-12-14T00:09:25.159+00:002022-12-14T00:09:25.159+00:00I've missed reading your blog Peter! Now that ...I've missed reading your blog Peter! Now that I'm on a holiday break, I'll be soaking up some hyperlipid!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02806571944642654507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-16799096538958022602022-12-10T07:30:54.037+00:002022-12-10T07:30:54.037+00:00CaveNewt, hydrogenated coconut oil is to coconut o...CaveNewt, hydrogenated coconut oil is to coconut oil as margarine is to other vegetal oils except there is little if any trans fat in fully hydrogenated CN oil. There is approx 6% oa and 2% la in natural coconut oil and fully saturating this via hydrogen + catalyst gives the soft natural oil a hard waxy consistency. This is known in Au as Copha(tm), used to make chocolate crackles, childhood treats which I think should be included in these mouse diet experiments. <br /><br />https://www.copha.com.au/recipes/kids-chocolate-crackles/<br /><br />Fat plus sugar plus cocopops. Do not try this at home.Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-36973852539880612742022-12-02T21:18:18.356+00:002022-12-02T21:18:18.356+00:00After leaving the second kind out for a few hours,...After leaving the second kind out for a few hours, I now think it is the same as the first, though maybe not organic and virgin.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15626165768870660952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-31019852736654547082022-12-01T15:54:15.603+00:002022-12-01T15:54:15.603+00:00Thanks, Eric. I am in the US and I've never se...Thanks, Eric. I am in the US and I've never seen the second two kinds you mentioned. I buy coconut oil by the gallon and it's the virgin and organic kind. "Room temperature" can be relative. In the summertime my "room temperature" is 80 to 90°. My coconut oil melts at 76° so it's only really solid in the wintertime, and even then it's easy to scoop spoonfuls out.<br /><br />I was curious why they would use hydrogenated coconut oil in these studies, but if it's commoner in other parts of the world maybe that's why, or they wanted to boost the saturation level or something…<br /><br />cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-72236031108201639462022-12-01T14:53:51.420+00:002022-12-01T14:53:51.420+00:00Peter, glad you're back! From what I hear, Wal...Peter, glad you're back! From what I hear, Walt Willett is stick thin.<br /><br />lapis, I eat butter (and full fat cheese) like crazy (easily more than bread by weight) and am doing fine. I get the impression I put on weight when our nut jar is filled with a fresh and tasty mix and I eat a couple of handful per day. When the mix is not nice but not obviously bad enough to throw out, I eat few if any and tend to lose weight.<br /><br />cave: <br />There's three kinds of coconut oil that I am aware of. There's the (virgin and organic) kind that comes in jars. It is semi-transparent, and you can easily get a spoon full when it is at room temperature. According to wikipedia, it is only 92% saturated on average, with 5 - 10 oleic and 1 - 2.5% linoleic.<br /><br />Theres the kind for frying and cooking that (here in Germany) comes in cubes wrapped like butter in aluminum coated paper. It is also semi-transparent. According to the nutrition label, it is 92% saturated. When refridgerated, it is certainly much more brittle than refridgerated butter. I just left the remaining piece out to see what it is like at room temperature.<br /><br />Then there is fully hydrogenated coconut oil. It comes in bars with ridges like chocolate and is fully opaque / white. It shatters almost like glass when cold and stays very hard at room temperature. According the label, it is 97% saturated.<br /><br />Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15626165768870660952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-48053454876469648282022-12-01T07:06:52.329+00:002022-12-01T07:06:52.329+00:00Welcome back Peter.
Hopefully you would comment o...Welcome back Peter. <br />Hopefully you would comment on the mysterious situation with excess deaths in the Western countries. Is it some kind of vaccine- reinfection interaction as has been recently posited? <br />For instance by blogger Radagast at rintrah. nlGyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-60298525578995352412022-11-30T21:37:30.680+00:002022-11-30T21:37:30.680+00:00OK, dumb question. I'm curious about the signi...OK, dumb question. I'm curious about the significance of hydrogenated coconut oil. Is that different from the stuff we buy at the grocery store to cook with?cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-40595201432193906932022-11-29T21:57:02.958+00:002022-11-29T21:57:02.958+00:00"Now, I wouldn't wish such a liver archit..."Now, I wouldn't wish such a liver architecture on to anyone but if I was pushed in to a corner I might consider Prof Risérus, lead author of Dietary fats and prevention of type 2 diabetes as being a possibly deserving recipient. Co-authors Walter Willett and Frank Hu might be candidates too.". - Peter reveals his vicious side, mwahaha! ;)<br /><br />Jokes aside though, I have definitely been wondering about butter. I'm no scientist of any kind, I just know that when I indulge - i gain weight like crazy, even on nearly 0 carb diet. N = 1, but reading this makes me feel a little less insane, which is nice :)<br /> - shadelapis_exilishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324540351358593497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-67302000338337244312022-11-29T13:29:41.690+00:002022-11-29T13:29:41.690+00:00I'm probably remembering this incorrectly, but...I'm probably remembering this incorrectly, but isn't the difference in protein in the diets significant too? Isn't the difference (20% vs 24%) somewhere near the cutoff for those experiments that show that most organisms will eat until their protein requirements are met? The diets are iso caloric, so the HF mice will be hungrier. <br /><br />Also, protein calories aren't usually burned for ATP production so the HF are getting ~4% more energy calories per day in spite of being possibly hungrier.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08429649638322159524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-12430018138354674012022-11-29T00:57:38.842+00:002022-11-29T00:57:38.842+00:00I've been pondering similar questions, Peter.
...I've been pondering similar questions, Peter.<br /><br />There are clearly some confounders to effects of LA, such as DHA, the dairy fat Mozaffarian patented, and perhaps others, like the MCFA in the paper George links to above. (I hate hypercaloric diets. Show me that the effect exists on a non-excessive diet...)<br /><br />It also seems that a middle range of LA + fat is worst, for reasons I'm not entirely clear on, as shown in Speakman's paper (Hu et al., 2018: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmet.2018.06.010" rel="nofollow">10.1016/j.cmet.2018.06.010</a>).<br /><br />George: Do you think someone should tell the authors of that paper looking at LCSFA-HFD that 18:1 is not a SFA? It's the vast majority of the fat they're labeling SFA... Sigh.Tucker Goodrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09455436946187786398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-49539669430204281612022-11-28T23:56:36.563+00:002022-11-28T23:56:36.563+00:00This experiment might help answer some of those qu...This experiment might help answer some of those questions<br /><br />https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33122393/<br /><br />In any case it's good to see experimenters resting the extremes in humans.<br />A little pedantry here - it's wrong to call MCFAs in natural TGs MCTs. An MCT is all-MCFA and this rarely if ever happens in nature. Also MCTs are made with C8-10 whereas MCFA (I believe) includes up to C14.<br />Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.com