tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post8654665735761645815..comments2024-03-27T22:57:00.742+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Ultra processed foodPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-5381079355610799482020-08-25T04:41:25.994+00:002020-08-25T04:41:25.994+00:00George, I agree with you on that, absolutely. In t...George, I agree with you on that, absolutely. In their brain too. And if the ratio had been one part LA to two parts ALA on a 3% PUFA background then possibly even more so... Makes you wonder if rats followed humans to scavenge mammoth fat as we co-evolved!<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-40516280269273123632020-08-25T00:03:22.567+00:002020-08-25T00:03:22.567+00:00"The 60% of calories as fat in the ultra proc..."The 60% of calories as fat in the ultra processed diets both provided the same ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 but the absolute levels of total PUFA were around 3% for the MCFA fed rats and around 34% PUFA in the LCFA group."<br /><br />But I'm guessing the 3% PUFA MCFA fed rats ended up with more EPA, DHA or both in serum fractions than the 34% PUFA LCFA fed rats.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-25544932732463789592020-08-22T04:04:59.558+00:002020-08-22T04:04:59.558+00:00I seem to have had the misapprehension that all MC...I seem to have had the misapprehension that all MCT's are similarly ketogenic. They certainly seem to be marketed, as in "MCT oil", that way. Not really surprising things are more complicated than that.<br /><br />Thanks for setting me straight. I hope <a href="https://www.dropanfbomb.com/blogs/articles-resources/c8-mct-oil" rel="nofollow">this article</a>, which is more for a general audience, is reasonably accurate.LA_Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09775262019154051166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-82046531468581247852020-08-21T19:28:44.960+00:002020-08-21T19:28:44.960+00:00Thanks for the correction, Peter. While I was actu...Thanks for the correction, Peter. While I was actually starting to pursue access to Axona at one point, in an attempt to address a peripheral neuropathy condition, it was very expensive and, of course, not covered by insurance in the US. <br />cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-48302745768893127722020-08-21T19:15:22.924+00:002020-08-21T19:15:22.924+00:00Bob and cave, caprylic acid is ketoegenic. Coconut...Bob and cave, caprylic acid is ketoegenic. Coconut oil is minimally so, though it is not without its benefits. Might be ketogenic if you upper the dose enough I guess.<br /><br />https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32351966/<br /><br />https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29955698/<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-81515623079398818272020-08-21T14:48:15.110+00:002020-08-21T14:48:15.110+00:00Early on in my low carb life when I was researchin...Early on in my low carb life when I was researching ketogenic diets, I ran across Axona, which at the time was a new product for Alzheimer's patients marketed as a "medical food". Its main ingredient is tricaprylin. Sounded interesting at the time, but as Bob says, you may be better off just drinking coconut milk. cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-34187963813467245222020-08-21T05:10:53.873+00:002020-08-21T05:10:53.873+00:00Yes, I tend to feel that the cookie dough made wit...Yes, I tend to feel that the cookie dough made with tricaprylin wouldn't taste that different from the cookie dough made with soya bean oil. But soya bean oil is "rewarding" to 244g while tricaprylin is"non-rewarding" to 216g. We are actually looking at processes which "lose" calories in to adipocytes. Lost calories are replaced by over eating due to hunger, a simple physiological state of inadequate calories in the blood as perceived by the hypothalamus. You can do this with processed or unprocessed foods, it is determined by the number of double bonds in your lipid supply combined with the degree of elevation of insulin levels.<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-36353692738816601442020-08-21T03:58:51.771+00:002020-08-21T03:58:51.771+00:00Hi, Abu Dhabi,
In the first paper Peter reference...Hi, Abu Dhabi,<br /><br />In the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/consumption-of-ultraprocessed-foods-and-health-status-a-systematic-review-and-metaanalysis/FDCA00C0C747AA36E1860BBF69A62704" rel="nofollow">first paper</a> Peter references, the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/public-health-nutrition/article/ultraprocessed-foods-what-they-are-and-how-to-identify-them/E6D744D714B1FF09D5BCA3E74D53A185" rel="nofollow">first reference</a> seeks to define "ultra-processed" food: <br /><br />"Processes and ingredients used to manufacture ultra-processed foods are designed to create highly profitable (low-cost ingredients, long shelf-life, emphatic branding), convenient (ready-to-consume), hyper-palatable products liable to displace all other NOVA food groups, notably unprocessed or minimally processed foods."<br /><br />Your definition certainly implies something like that.<br /><br />But one of the uses for <a href="https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Tricaprylin" rel="nofollow">tricaprilyn</a> is "as an alternative energy source to glucose for patients with mild to moderate Alzheimer's disease.". Note this is not an FDA-approved use. <br /><br />Personally, if I were trying to mitigate Alzheimer's by replacing glucose with caprylic acid, I would just drink coconut milk. Still, it's hard to describe tricaprylin as "food scientifically designed to induce hyperphagia for profit" however hyper_processed it might be. That seems to be the irony in Peter's post.LA_Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09775262019154051166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-10182364344131880902020-08-19T17:34:11.457+00:002020-08-19T17:34:11.457+00:00I think what the ultra-processed designation is gr...I think what the ultra-processed designation is grasping for is "food scientifically designed to induce hyperphagia for profit". The mechanism doesn't really matter to the people paying the food scientists working for the corporations, just if their product is mode addictive, and more inductive of overeating in humans. It is possible to do the opposite, food which nobody would overeat, but where's the money in that? It would probably taste like crap. Abu Dhabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01799929892999002230noreply@blogger.com