tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post9160652111470208234..comments2024-03-29T06:45:45.894+00:00Comments on Hyperlipid: Mongongo nutsPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-72856776660703904922021-08-11T12:10:56.090+00:002021-08-11T12:10:56.090+00:00Hey Peter, so would you suggest to supplement with...Hey Peter, so would you suggest to supplement with CLA?Lucahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13925761882484319062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-32006774536096888642021-08-06T01:23:10.998+00:002021-08-06T01:23:10.998+00:00h/t to Stephan:
"Glucose Tolerance in Non-in...h/t to Stephan:<br /><br />"Glucose Tolerance in Non-industrial Cultures"<br />http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/11/glucose-tolerance-in-non-industrial.html<br /><br />The !Kung san are hypoinsulinemic type 2 diabetics!<br /><br />"Mean glucose levels were higher in the Bushmen at all stages, with significant differences at 0 and 120 minutes. Indeed, by lax criteria of evaluation (Jackson et al., 1970), their mean two-hour post-glucose level of 121 mg/ 100 ml could be regarded as falling within the "diabetic" range. Conversely, the Bushmen exhibited insulinopenia throughout the test, and this was significant at 0 and 60 minutes."<br /><br />"Metabolic Responses to Oral Glucose in the Kalahari Bushmen"<br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1799259/Tucker Goodrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09455436946187786398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-47517465272940631512021-08-01T11:52:10.094+00:002021-08-01T11:52:10.094+00:00So CLA protects against the effects of LA?
So supp...So CLA protects against the effects of LA?<br />So supplementing CLA would be the logical consequence!<br />It would eliminate the weight gain and metabolic consequences of high LA diets...<br />Is this true?Bastihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535256396196663318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-16578147429667009122021-07-21T08:23:17.538+00:002021-07-21T08:23:17.538+00:00Justin, are you missing an important nutrient?
ht...Justin, are you missing an important nutrient?<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/21/australias-oldest-man-dexter-kruger-dies-aged-111<br /><br />Chicken brains, and chocolate. Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-79079014850553568192021-07-10T10:09:08.711+00:002021-07-10T10:09:08.711+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-32091014900390364522021-07-10T04:04:30.102+00:002021-07-10T04:04:30.102+00:00Pass and cave, no one doses ruminants with antibio...Pass and cave, no one doses ruminants with antibiotics by mouth, this kills their rumenal bacterial and usually the animal as a follow on. Other interventions can affect the carcass lipids and much of the world does not consider USA beef fit for human consumption. Welfare is my biggest concern re factory farming. Health-wise factory beef seems to work rather well, even in the USA.<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-2303988909145300432021-07-10T00:34:08.074+00:002021-07-10T00:34:08.074+00:00Maybe they don't wash them. I don't and th...Maybe they don't wash them. I don't and that's how I sell them to my customers. Of course so keep them in an air conditioned house until I deliver them. Lol!!Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688462291078238507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-40169391983710334112021-07-10T00:32:36.561+00:002021-07-10T00:32:36.561+00:00I reached out to them a few years ago and was read...I reached out to them a few years ago and was ready to roll on their coco feed. They said it wasn't available anymore. Great idea to ask them to share the formulation though!Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688462291078238507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-13652160593620108372021-07-09T22:48:46.021+00:002021-07-09T22:48:46.021+00:00Hi, Holly.
From the website, it appears they have...Hi, Holly.<br /><br />From the website, it appears they haven't shipped eggs to California since 2017, apparently because they don't ship the eggs under refrigeration.LA_Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09775262019154051166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-26392411592238249482021-07-09T18:16:08.082+00:002021-07-09T18:16:08.082+00:00@Justin
Not sure how pertinent this is to your re...@Justin<br /><br />Not sure how pertinent this is to your request for a feed for chickens but Healthy Traditions sells soy/corn free eggs. Have not purchased the eggs so cannot comment on flavor etc. but have have been hoping their feed, or one similar, would become more widely available. Here in US there's probably restrictions (to protect the soy/corn farmers) so they can't sell the feed but maybe they'd sell the recipe to interested farmers.<br /><br />https://healthytraditions.com/collections/soy-free-eggsHollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02555416926538668172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-84462659073378104032021-07-09T14:36:00.470+00:002021-07-09T14:36:00.470+00:00@Passthecream "Cavenewt, are feed-lot cattle ...@Passthecream "Cavenewt, are feed-lot cattle dosed up on antibiotics in your country? Maybe other creatures, wherever birds and animals are confined to close quarters?"<br /><br />I live in the U.S., so the answer to your question is a resounding "Are you kidding? Of course they are!"<br /><br />Yet another reason, of course, to avoid industrial meat.cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-28684142547674351362021-07-08T23:51:40.786+00:002021-07-08T23:51:40.786+00:00The Michael Eades link is a good read, thanks, CTV...The Michael Eades link is a good read, thanks, CTV. He wrote about almonds similarly a few years ago after which I got rid of all my almond flour! I have some mature almond trees --- almonds also are a lot of work to harvest but it has been very difficult to keep other critters from harvesting most of them. Possums eat the leaf buds and flowers, parrots and possums eat any nuts when they are still green. Now I let them. I don't know what the ancestral almonds were like but our ancestors would have been better off eating the creatures which ate them. Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-53270573260243305482021-07-08T23:28:35.262+00:002021-07-08T23:28:35.262+00:00Cavenewt, are feed-lot cattle dosed up on antibiot...Cavenewt, are feed-lot cattle dosed up on antibiotics in your country? Maybe other creatures, wherever birds and animals are confined to close quarters? In light of that bacteria paper I quoted antibiotics could play havoc with bacterial ecosystems in stock and in humans. <br /><br />It seems that the majority of PUFA have their origin in plants or simple plant digesting organisms and get concentrated or modified moving up the food chain.<br />Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-22811604048836796272021-07-08T17:51:44.698+00:002021-07-08T17:51:44.698+00:00@Gyan
Sorry, I'm just going by a general aware...@Gyan<br />Sorry, I'm just going by a general awareness of various things I've read over the years. And as ctviggen points out, some authorities say there isn't a whole lot of difference in the PUFA between grassfed and "industrial" beef. I also follow Peter Ballerstedt and would tend to trust what he says, but my first thought is maybe there's a difference between CAFO cows and grain finished cows. And the differences of opinion makes everything confusing, but then what else is new. I agree that avoiding vegetable oils and nuts, etc., will make a whole lot more difference than whatever source your meat comes from.<br /><br />Actually my primary motive in avoiding industrial meat is the appalling way the animals are treated; my own personal health is important, but secondary to that.cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-3646349549543919842021-07-08T17:33:52.957+00:002021-07-08T17:33:52.957+00:00Supposedly, the difference between grass-fed and &...Supposedly, the difference between grass-fed and "industrial" beef in terms of PUFAs is not much.<br /><br />Peter Ballerstedt discusses this here:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3SsmmKerzw<br /><br />Sorry, I can't find a transcription. <br /><br />But basically, if you're concerned about PUFAs in "grain finished" beef, don't eat nuts (or other massive PUFA sources) and eat fish every once in a while. <br /><br />And, what cows eat when "grain finished"...isn't a lot of grain. Some, but mainly plant matter. It's also higher quality feed, so they emit less "greenhouse gases". <br /><br />(Not sure if Peter B. addresses this here, as I've also been listening to his podcasts for a long time.)<br /><br />In this context, this is a fun discussion of this, by Dr. Eades:<br /><br />https://www.proteinpower.com/are-nuts-paleo/<br /><br />This example uses walnuts, and you'd have to calculate other nuts like almonds.ctviggenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768434099612988952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-26721209450230078782021-07-08T04:23:19.089+00:002021-07-08T04:23:19.089+00:00@cavenewt
How high do you mean? In India the ghee ...@cavenewt<br />How high do you mean? In India the ghee is typically 1.5-2 percent PUFA if we go by the producers'<br />information. Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-66103153329923357412021-07-07T20:46:53.766+00:002021-07-07T20:46:53.766+00:00I've also been keeping hair sheep for a numb r...I've also been keeping hair sheep for a numb r if years now too. Both the sheep and Nigerians are supposed to have real high butterfat content in their milk.<br /><br />I always like feeding my chickens surplus kefir grains too. Looks like I'll be ordering some today. Lol!!!Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688462291078238507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-27761546769432026342021-07-07T20:14:45.708+00:002021-07-07T20:14:45.708+00:00Cavenewt, I have made kefir on and off for years. ...Cavenewt, I have made kefir on and off for years. I just recently started keep Nigerian dwarf goats and breed them. Looking forward to stealing milk from them next kidding season.<br /><br />I have been praying that one day Peter would eventually have a post on the optimal chicken feed. I have been noodling this lately especially seeing that Brad is now going to be offering low PUFA chicken. I would think barley, coconut along with whatever vitamin mineral mixed would be a good start especially if they are already free ranging a lot like mine do.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688462291078238507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-581836906948263402021-07-07T17:03:52.710+00:002021-07-07T17:03:52.710+00:00@Pass "I wonder how much LA you have to consu...@Pass "I wonder how much LA you have to consume before some of it gets as far as the colon but not too much?" This could be the semicolon effect...<br /><br />Fascinating paper about the intestinal bugs. It was interesting to see the inclusion of L reuterii, since this is the probiotic I use to ferment goat milk into pseudo-yogurt every week. But I have no idea how much difference the individual strains make; mine is Lactobacillus reuteri DSM 17938 and ATCC PTA 6475. Whatever that means!<br /><br />I am curious, though, despite ruminants having all this ability to transform LA into more saturated fats, why industrially-raised livestock still has such a high LA content in their milk and meat. I guess even the bugs' superpowers can be swamped by too much evil LA. "Searching for stearate producers in the rumen has been difficult, largely because these organisms are extraordinarily sensitive to the toxic effects of unsaturated fatty acids..."<br /><br />Especially for an article from 2007, it was very refreshing to read something that refrained from tossing in comments about saturated fats and heart disease.cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-47597526282640426382021-07-07T10:28:58.724+00:002021-07-07T10:28:58.724+00:00Pass, that's an awesome paper! Thanks for sha...Pass, that's an awesome paper! Thanks for sharing. Interested to see if my wife's SBO probiotic has any of those strands.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05688462291078238507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-78323636719168409442021-07-07T02:45:32.577+00:002021-07-07T02:45:32.577+00:00Moving on from commas and on to the colon (yes rea...Moving on from commas and on to the colon (yes really and I'll probably regret this later) it seems that if you have the right combination of bugs CLA can be made from LA and CLA used to transform LA into Vaccenic Acid and possibly from that to Stearic acid if the unsaturated fatty acids don't kill the bugs first. I wonder how much LA you have to consume before some of it gets as far as the colon but not too much? The Mongongo nut might tick all the right boxes in terms of quantities and qualities. <br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1899373/Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-59656777680247392052021-07-07T01:35:27.982+00:002021-07-07T01:35:27.982+00:00It is a bit nutty. I have an uneasy relationship w...It is a bit nutty. I have an uneasy relationship with commas, they don't always bend to my will like curly braces do. <br /><br />Cavenewt, does that amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Boom Tish. Passthecreamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214860448492630477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-5277162576672247872021-07-06T18:08:42.842+00:002021-07-06T18:08:42.842+00:00When I was a kid in Indiana, we would plant our hi...When I was a kid in Indiana, we would plant our hills of corn with a castor bean in each. Invading moles would be killed by the castor beans.cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-12272070343072190122021-07-06T18:06:56.099+00:002021-07-06T18:06:56.099+00:00You guys are cracking me up.You guys are cracking me up.cavenewthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461541719892430585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36840063.post-40476952398157365352021-07-06T16:01:58.808+00:002021-07-06T16:01:58.808+00:00Not sure I'll ever hear the end of this!
Pete...Not sure I'll ever hear the end of this!<br /><br />PeterPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527788116058656094noreply@blogger.com