Before I get on to the absolute treasure trove which is this paper from Tucker I would like to continue a little with this one:
In the last post I considered Fig 4 to show the role of α‐tocopherol in reducing the insulin resistance of high levels of ROS to allow a more effective insulin-like signal from those ROS in an insulin-free cell model system.
It's time to think about what is happening in intact mice. Which is different.
Here's the supplementary image again:
which we can simplify to this basic scheme with the measured levels of α‐tocopherol added in:
The red line is easy. I start from the premise that lipid storage in hepatocytes is mediated by insulin. Exactly as per adipocytes, resisting insulin resists hepatic lipid storage. We know that long chain saturated fats protect against fatty liver *because* their oxidation resists insulin's signal better than does the oxidation of linoleic acid. Going back to my old scheme of what I think is happening we have this effect from LA on insulin signalling. First is the normal resistance to insulin's signal limiting adipocyte size. Hepatocytes are not adipocytes but I consider this aspect still holds:
and if we allow extra insulin signalling by oxidising linoleic acid, a fat which fails to adequately resist insulin, we get this:
in which the peak ROS signal is the same, here an hypothetical equivalent to 0.3mM H2O2, but it needs extra caloric intake to achieve this "satiety" level of ROS. If we add in a couple of rising dose rates of α‐tocopherol we get hepatocytes which store even more fat than is the case for plain LA. We still have that peak 0.3mM equivalent of ROS but we need even more caloric ingress to achieve it. Some gets stored as fat in the liver:
This is pure Protons. ROS reduction means more signalling which means more intracellular lipid storage. Note that there is no suggestion of any increase in peak ROS hypothesised, the increase signalling action is mediated by α‐tocopherol limiting the "stop" signal, it's just that more signalling is allowed before that putative 0.3mM H2O2 is reached. So the ALT is not coming from ROS mediated direct damage.
If we push this process in adipocytes we end up with rising basal lipolysis, a process which is protective to individual adipocytes and cannot be suppressed by insulin.
If we push this process in hepatocytes there is no basal lipolysis. FFAs are absorbed by hepatocytes as metabolically active free acids and rendered inert by conversion to triglycerides by combining them with glycerol. These inert triglycerides are exported as VLDL under low insulin conditions. That's normal.
There is, undoubtedly, a "basal" VLDL secretion rate. The problem for hepatocytes is that VLDL secretion is not free from the control of insulin. Excess delivery of FFAs to hepatocytes in the presence of elevated insulin will trap triglycerides in hepatocytes.
Elevated basal lipolysis from adipocytes delivers excess FFAs and is fundamental to hyperinsulinaemia. Hyperinsulinaemia is fundamental to NAFLD.
Aside: The most effective management for NAFLD is caloric restriction. This drops adipocyte size which drops basal lipolysis which drops insulin which drops hepatic lipid storage. This simple management is complicated, in the presence of linoleic acid, by unremitting hunger. So it always fails. End aside.
So my view is that liver cells under normal physiology are insulin sensitive within the limits set by Protons, that this insulin sensitivity is still under the control of ROS and that linoleic acid, or α‐tocopherol, allows too much insulin signalling before the normal storage limiting signal of high ROS occurs. So why the damage?
I hope everyone recognises this image:
These are adipose tissue crown-like structures stained for macrophages in this study. If you want to see the same structures in liver tissue you need to go to a different study to find them. The black arrows are placed by the authors and are specifically denoting crown-like structures. They don't look as neat as in adipocytes because hepatocytes have lots of messy cytoplasm which gets in the way:
I discussed crown-like structures in a previous post or two but we can summarise by saying that, while triglycerides enclosed in perilipin proteins are inert, above a certain size the perilipin storage breaks down and all hell breaks lose on an inflammatory basis. In the soup of TNF-α and IL-6 surrounding the remains of a dead hepatocyte the still viable hepatocytes will, undoubtedly, become insulin resistant and share this disaster signal with the rest of the body.
Okay, okay. If you insist, here are crown-like structures in adipocytes stained for TNF-α and IL-6, because the images are so pretty. Given enough funding for these very expensive antibody stains you could show exactly the same in hepatocytes:
While the macrophages are what release the cytokines it is the dead hepatocytes which release the ALT. That is where the red line is coming from:
This red line process is pure Protons plus "pyroptosis", unlike the blue line.
I'll take a brief pause here because I have a ton of other stuff to do before I get to the blue line, which is much more interesting.
Peter

20 comments:
That U-shaped (ok, V-shaped) curve for vit. E makes me wonder if the prooxidant effect of the vitamin is responsible.
"We propose that peroxidation is propagated within lipoprotein particles by reaction of the vitamin E radical (i.e. a-tocopheroxyl radical) with polyunsaturated fatty acid moieties in the lipid."
Bowry, V. W., K. U. Ingold, and R. Stocker. 1992. “Vitamin E in Human Low-Density Lipoprotein. When and How This Antioxidant Becomes a Pro-Oxidant.” Biochemical Journal 288 (Pt 2): 341–44. https://doi.org/10.1042/bj2880341.
Yes, I did consider this possibility. Vitamin E is undoubtedly pro oxidant under the correct circumstances. However panel D of Fig1 suggest that we would need alpha tocopherol at 163microM in plasma to be pro-oxidant in hepatocytes while being antioxidant in a standard plasma antioxidant assay based around Cu ions. Possible, but seems unlikely...
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7909598/figure/osp4460-fig-0001/
"A recent report [29] has suggested that the optimal serum concentration of α-tocopherol to reduce mortality from cardiovascular disease and cancer is 30–33 μmol/L. The mean plasma α-tocopherol concentration achieved in the supplemented group in this study was 66.5 μmol/L which may be high enough to be detrimental rather than beneficial."
Winterbone, Mark S., Mike J. Sampson, Shikha Saha, Jackie C. Hughes, and David A. Hughes. 2007. “Pro-Oxidant Effect of Α-Tocopherol in Patients with Type 2 Diabetes After an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test – a Randomised Controlled Trial.” Cardiovascular Diabetology 6 (1): 8. https://doi.org/10.1186/1475-2840-6-8.
Very nice study. Interesting!
I'm digging. I like it. I think there are Protons aspects here and I think there are general antioxidant issues here, irrespective of alpha tocopherol. It takes me back to the DNA damage from eating a diet rich in fruit and vegetables!!!!!! I'll get back when I've thought it through but time to go start cooking now.
I found it interesting that the acute rise in 8-oxo-dG (~15%) from hyperglycaemia + alpha tocopherol is in the same order magnitude as the chronic *fall* in 8-oxo-dG (~20%) from a 10 week diet eliminating all flavonoid antioxidants, with no change in tocopherol status. My brain links things together. Might be nothing… Might be antioxidants of all sorts allow more ROS to be generated because they limit the ability to resist insulin mediated caloric ingress. Aka Protons. Not only excess insulin like signalling but also excess reducing equivalent delivery to the ETC -> more ROS. Which might exceed the ROS reduction from the tocopherol itself. Fascinating.
I wonder if there are any studies of paracetomol ( acetominophen) in this context? The other antioxidant in those links about antioxidants vs tumors was NAC, a cysteine source intended to refurbish glutathione. The toxic metabolite of paracetomol lowers glutathione in the process of being detoxified, can cause severe problems in excess.
It's a short step from thinking about glutathione needs to consuming far too much garlic and too many brussel sprouts.
https://www.clinpgx.org/pathway/PA166117881
OT, but readers may be educated and entertained by this report on the Brand-Miller (low gi lady) saga(s).
Big Sugar, Big Pharma: Sydney University compromised by academic research breach - Michael West
https://michaelwest.com.au/sydney-uni-big-pharma-conflict-of-interest/
'Sydney University has stonewalled claims of failing to police serious conflicts of interest in its academic research which may have benefited Big Sugar and Big Pharma companies such as Novo Nordisk. Who knew what and when, asks Andrew Gardiner.
The veil of secrecy around Jennie Brand-Miller – star nutrition academic and for years the face of low glycemic index (‘low GI’) diets – has been lifted, and it’s far from flattering. After months of obstruction, MWM can now confirm that ‘GI Jennie,’ as she’s affectionately known, has been married to John Miller (for decades until 2013, the medical director at Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals Australasia) from the late 1980s through to at least 2017.
Why does this matter? Economist and bane of Big Pharma and Sydney University, Rory Robertson, believes GI Jennie – who popularised sugary, high-carb (“low GI”) diets as somehow lowering blood sugar – helped cause a “public health disaster” of high blood sugar, obesity and rampant type two diabetes (T2D) among Australians, in turn generating a market for Novo Nordisk, the leading seller of insulin used to treat T2D.
Robertson insists that dozens of Brand-Miller’s ‘peer-reviewed’ published papers are based on erroneous and/or misconstrued data and that other, more credible studies associate sugary, high-carb diets with high blood sugar, obesity and T2D, stating that:
it has been known at the highest level of medical science and by competent GPs for a century that no-sugar, low-carbohydrate diets “reverse” or “fix” T2D.
A conflict of interest?
The central point of this investigation is not that Brand-Miller acted in bad faith but that her employer Sydney University, despite being notified many times by Robertson, failed to ensure that the academic complied with university policy on disclosing conflicts of interest, namely her close, very close association with a company which derived financial benefits from selling diabetes medication.'
&tc.
Dr Eades has announced that he was diagnosed with bladder cancer in Nov 24 but he is now in remission. He rejected chemo and surgery and treated himself with Seyfried like protocol.
Good news is that Seyfried works.
Bad news is decades of low-carb are insufficient to protect against cancer.
I don't know how you could arrive at that specific conclusion. Everyone is exposed to multiple potential causes of cancer in daily life including genetic and the effects of epigenetic causes. As far as you know he could have effortlessly fought off many such attacks until some particularly nasty one got going, and he might not gave been able to fight it off if he was not metabolically healthy at the outset.
The Seyfried protocol goes beyond mere low carb style. It involves calorie restriction to about 80% of standard requirements, and well as minimal protein. I can tell you, this is tricky to maintain.
For example Miriam Kalamian suggests:
12 to 20g protein , 0.5g of protein per Kg ideal weight and fats to make up the rest to eg 1600 to 2000 calories for a male.
That is 20g carb max, 50g protein and 160g to 300g fat.
12 to 20g CARB.
160 to 200g FAT
And 50g protein.
50 g is pretty decent protein intake for a vegetarian Hindu.
The entire world is getting a bit protein-crazy. Are humans really supposed to be eating 3-4 eggs daily for decades? What stone age man could have such access to eggs?
Perhaps lower rates of cancer in poor countries reflect lower protein consumption.
I wonder about chimpanzees, going good on their fruit diet. How much protein do they get.
0.5 g/kg comes to 35 g for a typical 70 kg person.Add 15 g carbs and that leaves not more than 100 g fat for a total of 1300 cal.
Or 200g for 2000cal.
Goodness me :(
'The Seyfried protocol goes beyond mere low carb style. It involves calorie restriction to about 80% of standard requirements, and well as minimal protein.'
I subscribed to Mike's blog just so I could read the followup tomorrow where he promises to describe his protocol. Ironic, if the author of Protein Power cures himself with minimal protein…
I hope you could share details of the Eades protocol.
He had actually mentioned that the Protein Power title wasn't his idea but editor's .
This story begins with ten canoes and an epic goose egg hunt.
https://youtu.be/2oiE7kBntqM?si=4Btkcih1XPpOHeTF
I just got 'Keto for Cancer' by Miriam Kalimian. It has an approving foreword by Seyfried. I'm working my way through the meal plans and recipes, replacing all the coconut and olive oil with dripping/tallow, and cutting out all dairy except a bit of clarified butter.
Post a Comment